RICH USA hunters going to Africa on hunting holidays is this a throw back to Victorian thrill of the GUN?
Question by newfy_newfy: RICH USA hunters going to Africa on hunting holidays is this a throw back to Victorian thrill of the GUN?
and yes the money pumped into south Africa by Americans is helping to
conserve some animals
but its still a power trip like the Victorians who wiped out tigers and lions in India
On BBC2 tonight Loise Theroux documentary wil show how rich Americans are going to south africa on hunting holidays
as well as showing how a sick sport this is and the great power trip they get when they shoot a lion
i think its sad that the only way we can get money to preserve these great animals is from rich hunters
.if we had the money cant we relocate these animals when they
over populate
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space coyote you say you work in a zoo
wouldn’t you like to see the day when man doesn’t have to use the US dollar from hunters to save African animals
you say the only animals that need relocating are
elephants .so the answer is get rich hunters to kill them good answer from a zoo keeper
wild elephants in India are a problem to villagers
as far as i know Rich Americans dont go there and shoot them .
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thanks haysoos 2 i couldnt of said it better . i lke your thing about G bush and dick Cheny at the end LOL…
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ok the program on tv tonight is about SA thriving game hunting industry, but says the majority of visitors are well of Americans
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Best answer:
Answer by Space Coyote
It is not just RICH USA hunters that go to Africa on a big game hunt. And it is nothing new that this is done. Hunting and big game parks have been established in various locations throughout Africa for a long long time.
What is with trying to pick on American hunters on Yahoo as of late? There have been several questions, I am sorry, RANTS made to look like questions.
NEWS FLASH!!! EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HUNTS!!! NOT EVERY HUNTER IN THE US IS RICH!!! People watch too much tv and movies….
I knew a guy a few years back who co-owned a large gaming facility in Africa… Kenya to be exact. People from all over the world, NOT JUST THE US came to hunt. The nice thing is many of well established gaming areas over there will donate what meat they can to local tribes since it it is too expensive to ship back to the home of the hunter.
As far as relocating animals, really the only animals that are overpopulated to the point of it being a problem right now are elephants… and I do not think you understand what it takes and the cost to move even a single animal. Not to mention you have to have a place to take them.
I am not saying that big game hunting is right or wrong… but to try to single out RICH USA hunters like they are the only ones who do this… or like it is some new thing is nothing short of ignorance.
EDIT: until you get over this USA rant as well as taking the time to do some research about what hunting brings in and does/does not do for conservation all over the world… NOT just the US, i am not going to say any more. Something tells me is all you are seeing is “RICH USA” hunters killing poor animals and there is far more to it than that. Yes in some cases it is just that, but those cases are few and far between. There are good AND bad sides to big game hunting… one needs to at least see and try to understand both.
Just to help you get off this USA kick… allow me to quote the WWF: “The European hunting industry, for example, is one of the largest and most affluent in the world. Around 20–30 per cent of the estimated 6.2 million European hunters (hunters from the EU, Norway, Switzerland, and Malta) travel abroad to hunt at least occasionally. These hunters are catered to by tourist hunting agencies, which offer different types of trips to Eastern Europe, Asia, Africa, and North America to hunt a wide variety of animals, including deer, moose, antelope, wild boar, bear, wolf, and birds”.
2nd EDIT: Did you even read what I said? I never said that the answer is going out and killing the elepants, even though they are currently looking at a cull in South African. Here, allow me to quote myself since you missed it “I am not saying that big game hunting is right or wrong”. My point was only to try to inform you that “RICH USA” hunters are not the only ones to go after big game or fly to Africa to hunt.
I am not sure what your point is about US hunters not going to Asia to hunt considering you were talking about Africa.
What do you think? Answer below!
pray for plane crashes…
however, without hunters we wouldn’t have hunting accidents, a source of joy to many
I travelled to several African countries last summer, and from what I saw, most of the people travelling to places like Namibia for hunting were actually South Africans.
I don’t hunt. I’m a birder and prefer to “hunt” with my binoculars and spotting scope. But there are two kinds of hunters – those who regard it as a legitimate sport (whether they hunt for food or trophies) and respect the animals they hunt, and those who just like to shoot things. The latter are in the minority, and the former are as conservation-minded as they come – they want to keep hunting, and if the ducks or deer or whatever are gone, they can’t hunt. Simple as that.
Whether any kind of destructive use – whether it’s hunting lions for trophies, hunting crocodiles or alligators for skins, or hunting pheasant for dinner – can play a positive or negative role depends on many variables. What is the rate of reproduction for the target species? How many hunters would be involved? What would be the impact on the whole ecosystem (new roads, etc.)? What might happen to other animals or plants that rely on what you’re hunting for food, or which are hunted by what what you’re hunting? Some wild populations can sustain regular hunting. In fact, some actually benefit from it. Others cannot, which is why whaling is a real problem. Where sustainable use can be maintained, it can play a positive role in conservation, provided it’s being monitored closely.
Simply moving the animals is not always a workable solution. Some animals are highly territorial; moving excess lions from one place to another would almost certainly doom the moved lions to death. In other cases, population excess occurs pretty much everywhere (for example, with white-tailed deer in the USA); there is literally no place to move them. I, too, would rather see animals relocated rather than killed, but one has to be realistic; relocation is not a universal solution.
EDIT: First – I am not in the least opposed to the bashing of the US. I am a US citizen and find much that is bashable about my country. I’ve spent more time than I’d care to remember apologizing for my country on my overseas trips over the past several years. One should never have to be embarrassed about one’s citizenship, but I am genuinely embarrassed to be an American these days. But it’s not because we have rich hunters. Every country with rich people will have rich hunters.
Also – from what i’ve seen, those hunters who just like to shoot stuff tend not to be from the wealthy-hunter side of the spectrum. I could never shoot a lion, but those who could generally don’t want to shoot ALL lions.
Actually, I think both you and Space Coyote are correct.
Yes, big game hunting is catering to rich hunters who want to live out their fantasies of being Great White Hunters, and pretending they’re Papa Hemingway or Teddy Roosevelt.
Yes, it’s a pathetic fantasy, which I suspect is mostly held by men who fear their penises are too small.
Yes, big game hunters are largely responsible for a lot of endangered species in the first place. Cheetahs were once common throughout Africa, the Middle East, India and Persia, ranging up into Afghanistan and Russia until the advent of firearms and hunters who decimated this magnificent cat for “sport”.
And yes, it’s not just Americans – there are plenty of rich British, South Africans, Germans, Saudis, Yemeni, Japanese, Indonesians, and more and more Chinese who also participate in this idiocy.
Culling elephant herds in some areas is sadly necessary, simply because there isn’t enough land anymore to support them all. I’d sooner see larger conservation areas, but that’s sadly unlikely. Without that, there’s really nowhere to relocate animals to.
And yes, they do go to India to shoot elephants too. The richest hunters are also able to show off their manliness by illegally killing tigers too.
As for the type of people who would do such a thing: both George W. Bush and Dick Cheney have gone on such safaris – nuff said.
Just about everything you have written is wrong. You are continuing the popular myths that the uninformed and or the animal rigths groups have continued to spread.
It is NOT only American “hunters” that go on those hunts. It is people with money, lots of money. In recent times the Chinese are the newest group. If you wanna bash rich people, go right ahead. Cause it takes more than a desire to go hunting to be able to hunt in Africa. As one of the people reported in their answer, most of the people are South African. I can see that, especially South African business people with foriegn contacts.
If this Loise Theroux is just gonna bash Americans, well so what, join the forray. Yes, Louis can be one of the millions that have nothing better to do that bash Americans. Especially since Americans are a not the only ones going on those hunts.
The white people that went hunting in Africa, during the 1600′s, 1700′, 1800′s were the rich again. The thing is they had NO idea the population status of animals. In fact many thought in unending. They also had a totally different value system. You cant really compare those people and those times to now.
You think hunting is sick. Well you should see the mess the socalled ecotoutist are making. Trash, garbage, waste and disease are being spread all over the world. If you think a person with a camera does not have an effect, man you are wrong.
You also seem not to have an ecology base. These animals are NOT being preserved, they are being managed. In Africa it is not the hunter that pays for wildlife management or presevation, it is the government and large private corps or citizens.